I remember the 90s very well. The severe punishment of criminals is also a satisfaction for criminal investigators

Miroslav Antl in the studio of Czech radio Hradec Králové

Miroslav’s Antl is a lawyer and politician, in the years 2008 to 2020 senator of district no. 48 – Rychnov nad Kněžnou, between 2012 and 2020 representative of the Hradec Králové region. Formerly non-supporter of the CSSD, he has been president of the CITIZENS movement since June 2020.

The television series Ninety is inspired by us to invite you back to the studio. Have you watched?
I only saw the first part and I don’t want to rate it too much, because I have a little different memories. Sometimes the artistic intent slightly messes up the facts I remember. In the 1990s, we did such an informal murder here, I met Jirka Markovič from Prague, he is already a legend, the leader of the murder, and Josef Doucha, who did the Central Bohemian region and, for example , the Eagle murders, etc. .

It may seem paradoxical, but the 1990s were the best years of my professional life. Because it was busy and I like that.

JUDr. Miroslav Antl, former prosecutor, author of the book Gaunery, I don’t like

So how do you remember the 1990s? What cases did you handle as a prosecutor and attorney at the time?
It may seem paradoxical, but I remember it very well. I would say those were the best years of my life, which was quite varied professionally. Because I worked full time, I like full work, I worked with professionals, excellent medical examiners, field trips. And when they manage to apply the most severe punishment possible, everyone feels good, it is a kind of reward even for these criminals.

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What happened for the period following the Velvet Revolution to develop in this way? It was a time full of swindlers and murder.
There was also a relaxation of the economy, there was a completely different way of trading. And here, in Eastern Bohemia, the executions of white horses began. That is to say, Roma businessmen would hire someone who had a clean criminal record, and when he was poor, they would always put a trader on it, take a truck full of goods for the trader and sell him in the street. Then, of course, the police chased the dead man it was written on, so they had to get rid of him somehow. At first they sent them abroad, but they came back when they ran out of money, so they got rid of them through executions. And then I remember at the time it was the case of Pavel Peca, mass murder, then Martin Vlasák, murders so disgusting. Until then, they were mainly domestic killers, there were about 8 to 10 a year, and suddenly we had 40 to 50 cases a year.

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Your job must have changed too. That is, the lawyers and the police.
The police formed a team, so even if someone was on vacation or on leave, they still went to the scene. And I rode with them. We were such a well-coordinated group. And it wasn’t easy, because you have fun with scammers and you see a corpse before, so it’s hard to communicate decently with them, but it was very good working memories. It was not until the year 2000 that murders fell.

Did you manage to solve these murders?
Certainly. And quickly, except for a few complicated cases, like the crossing of Seč. There they were sentenced on the last day of their four-year detention, so there was always a risk that they would come out, and they expected it. They did everything for that, so it was a complicated business. And drug cases have also broken out here in the East Bohemia region. The most serious were the cases of three Colombians, in short, a completely different composition of crime. But that, in turn, fades, as I am constantly informed.

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What made the big bosses and gangsters show up then?
I am convinced that it was the liberation of everything, including business relations. Suddenly rich people appeared, it was a release of morality. At the time, I even said that some considered the revolution to be a socialist penal law and a socialist law, so it was almost a kind of anarchy. These people thought the police and the prosecutor’s office were dysfunctional. Above all, they wanted to get rich quick, at all costs. At this time, massive brutal murders and executions were added to Czechoslovakia from the start. Organized crime also began to thrive in the drug business.

Do you still have memories in your head?
Yes, the worst case was Pavel Peca. Mirek Vaňura did a great report on this cause, even Standa Motl, and I have never seen or heard it on the radio that a report on the murder can be done on the radio so that people cry and some are disgusted by what happened. Pavel Peca lived in a family, was divorced and his wife had 2 daughters of fourteen and nineteen years old.

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And once they got into a fight, he was slightly drunk and his ex-wife was going somewhere and wouldn’t tell him where. He started blaming her for her jealousy, then took the ax and, paradoxically, attacked the nineteen-year-old girl first, killing her with slashing wounds. He then attacked his ex-wife, whom he also killed. And he started writing a terrible letter. I remember when we arrived at the place, we read the letter. He describes in himself that he had to kill them, that he had only to put an end to his life. And the worst thing is that he has to wait for his dear fourteen-year-old Radunka to come home, so he will have to kill her as well. He attacked her with about 10 or 11 stab wounds and also killed her. When I interviewed him with the investigator about 2 hours after the crime and asked him why he hadn’t killed himself when he wrote about it, he said he wanted to hang himself, but the window was open, so he was probably ashamed, then he went into the water with the fact that he drowned, but he realized that he was an excellent swimmer, so he didn’t not jump into the water. Then, after being picked up by a train and the train had not run for a long time, he went to a pub and was arrested there by the police of the Czech Republic. He received 25 years in the regional court, I appealed and he was finally sentenced to life. He was already looking forward to getting out after 20 years, but died while serving a prison sentence.

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I still see a photo of Radunka being murdered, which is cut and dotted with daisies, so it looked really creepy for everyone to remember who Pavel Peca was. I also said that I was not happy with the concept today, when there is a great human approach to murderers. And when they asked me what I was saying that Pavel Peca had died at the scene of the crime, I responded by saying: that’s fine. He is the first of my survivors to understand the importance of life imprisonment.

Have you ever faced threats in the course of your work?
Prosecutors may have all encountered the usual affective threats, I’m killing you, bitch, I’m killing your family, you get used to it. But he does not get used to it when you are suddenly unaware of the threats and the police from the organized crime squad come to say that an assassination is being prepared against you and that a sniper must shoot you. And then they take care of your family, take you somewhere, without knowing where and for a long time. After five days, I couldn’t take it anymore, I signed the reverse and let myself be carried away. Because they won’t watch over you for life, whatever. I decided to continue and I continued with even more vigor.

Miroslav Antl in the studio of Czech radio Hradec Králové

So, is crime better today than it was in the 1990s?
It’s calmer. But organized crime today does not execute physically, it is able to liquidate you in the media, insidiously, to destroy your family, your business, etc. It’s more insidious.

Jakub Schmidt’s guest was Miroslav Antl. The full interview is available in our audio archive.

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